I have removed some comments from this conversation since I have no interest in including opinions from people determined to act as our moral guardians who were having a go at my guest and others I support. I don't check these pages all the time so please tell me if there is more offensive material posted. Contact-Website@bettinaarndt.com.au
I had not known this story. It is shocking but unsurprising that women with an axe to grind would behave in this way.
As far as graffiti goes, I am no fan of Mr Lister especially after he daubed his name over Bondi which I really didn't like.
But that doesn't make it OK what has happened to him, this is absolutely outrageous behaviour and those women should be ashamed of themselves trying to stitch him up in this way.
I suspect the police were so willing to prosecute as they were annoyed about the graffiti. This also is disgraceful, the law must be applied fairly to all.
Thank you Bettina for bringing this story to our attention, and great praise should shower down on the wonderful Margaret Cunneen SC, thank you to her for extracting some justice from a difficult system.
The prosecutors and 23 police who perpetrated this need to be personally held responsible. This includes destroying their careers, so they do not destroy others' lives.
This just leaves such a distasteful taste in my mouth! The police disgust me with their behaviour regarding domestic violence or abuse, also the courts & most lawyers really, I wonder if he will get any compensation regarding this verdict? It beggars belief that the law can destroy a person’s life, livelihood, future on false accusations but does nothing to the perpetrators of said accusations. The law really is an ass I’m afraid Dx
The UK Supreme Court has just ruled that the exclusion of evidence in rape cases means that you are unlikely to receive a fair trial in Scotland. Unfortunately, the UK Supreme Court also believes in 'rape myths' and it is only because Scottish courts have become so ridiculous that this ruling was made. See the interview about it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks7qpxxD9FI and read my paper on the flaws of feminist research https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/13657127231217510 You should also check out the Facebook group Justice for Innocent Men Scotland.
There should be compensation for every allegation and every loss of his personal human rights. I know it will not make up for what happened to him, but, in a way, it's besides the point: the point is to punish those that did this so that they (and others) are less keen to go down this path in the future.
It's unfortunate, but there must be consequences for false accusations otherwise they'll be getting out of control!
Neil, there is a common theme in most articles in this vein that point to your post. Maybe the abolition of Perjury in the Family Court has permeated down to the lower Courts when false allegations arise in those jurisdictions, where Perjury remains an offence.
Often we hear of Courts alluding to such falsity, but at the same time there appears to be a reluctance to prosecute those offenders.
We know that the playing field is sloping and the goalposts keep sliding around. Therefore, we hardly expect justice... but we should never stop hoping for it.
Boy! Was that a terrible story. Not only should those conspiratorial women be hanging their heads in shame but also those rip-off merchants at the hot shot legal firm that took all his money, and those coppers trying to catch him out on his bail conditions…not to mention those hacks at the SMH. A complete mess. The whole thing is a travesty of justice from start to finish. Three cheers for Margaret Cuneen and her team who look to have done sterling work to defend not just Anthony Lister, but also the integrity of the criminal justice system.
This phenomenon of doing a 180 degree turnabout and then reinventing the past also applies to former members of religions who become apostates, people who aren't content to just move on but want to destroy their former group, as somehow evidence of their virtue and proof that they never actually supported or loved the group or lover. Its worthy of further investigation as a key plank to dismantling the feminist divorce laws, custody and usurious punitive alimony even for casual relationships. I've heard plenty of stories about men whose partners left them for a man with more money, but still went out of their way to get the maximum payout. Another went to his favorite drinking hole and then tried to press charges for breaching an AVO while pursuing 50% of his wealth for a casual relationship with a few sleepovers. She succeeded in destroying his financial position already depleted by a divorce. Women want the best provider or top male, but why do some inflict such venom on their ex?
Some women are indeed vindictive. It's an imperfect world and sometimes there's no solution that doesn't have bad consequences. Dismantling the feminist divorce laws would also have consequences. Yes there is punitive alimony that is wrong. There are also men who had children, left their partner, and then refuse to contribute to their children's upbringing. It's just a horrible, murky and problematic area. Men are also capable of exactly the same amount of vindictiveness as women and vice versa although there are some differences in the way it is expressed.
If I seized someone by force and locked them in a cage, stole at least hundreds of thousands of dollars from them, slandered them, and on top of that defrauded the government of millions, I'd go to prison for a long time. Does anyone care to bet that Lister's accusers will be be arrested, still less charged, still less convicted?
I've written articles and done videos on how you protect yourself from sexual harassment in the workplace. I advise people to document everything if things get weird at work. I got to practice that myself after I made 5 accusations of harassment (including sexual harassment) at my work. Supposedly a female colleague then accused me of harassment after I reject her advances. That would have been the 6th incident of sexual harassment at that job. I can't even know if she actually did make a complaint since I was never allowed to cross examine her or move to discovery.
It should be noted that I'm an internationally recognised ethicist, and that I'm public about being asexual, in large part because I was sexually abused as a child.
I had all the documentation proving that the accusations were false. But in Australia, as you can see in the Lester case, men are guilty until proven innocent. I couldn't wait to provide that proof. But the system makes that almost impossibly expensive. Getting to discovery and a trial requires resources well beyond the means of the common man. Lister, like Johnny Depp, was fortunate enough to have access to those resources, and ultimately the generosity of competent lawyers.
I would have been screwed if expert lawyers had not intervened (for free) to defend me from obviously false allegations. But because I could not afford a trial, which I WANTED, I had to accept a non disclosure agreement protecting all of my abusers.
How can they not see that this is imply further incentive for women to make false allegations? There is simply nothing to lose for them. Even when they have been exposed as liars and vicious psychopaths with no conscience, it matters not because they remain anonymous.
It is outrageously unjust. If you want to make incredibly damaging allegations you should have no qualms about standing by them and having your identity known by the public.
Our legal system is every bit as bigoted toward men and two tiered as the Jim Crow laws in America were to the black population.
The complaint was that I had tinder open while waiting for my food at a local vegan restaurant. I ordered it take away. I was asked to go there by the person that complained, I didn't ask her to go with me. I made no unsolicited communication with my co-worker.
Why would such extraordinary protective measures be necessary in such a situation?
Well I literally asked for a chaperone at my work any time I was asked to be alone with anyone at that company, when I was under threat. I would assume a 19 year old model has a presumption of threat and should have a chaperone, agent, or parent present during those shoots. 19 is technically an adult, legally. But biologically that's still in the developmental stage.
I had a ~30ish year old friend invite some sort of "tauntric guide" or something over to her house in Austin. The New Age community there is relatively new and attracts a lot of predators. I stayed in another room to give her privacy. Then at some point she messaged me and asked for help, things were getting weird. So I went to check on her and that guy was on top of her. He disentangled himself pretty fast once he saw me and I escorted him out of the house.
Why is it that the identities of those who make allegations are supressed from the get-go (even when it is proven their allegations are false /fabrications), but the name of the accused is all too frequently brandished about in the legacy media and on [anti]social media before the [Kangaroo] courts glacially move (after the reputational damage is done) to supress the accused name?
It surprising me cops, considering there is still more males than females, are so procedurally unfair. I can only think it to enhance their own career. In this case taking down a celebrity boost their ego and cred.
My brothers a cop and he doesn’t. He rolls his eyes eith all the victim survivor stuff. But he not looking for a promo or a detective trying to get famous. Also his location is pretty semi country.
I have removed some comments from this conversation since I have no interest in including opinions from people determined to act as our moral guardians who were having a go at my guest and others I support. I don't check these pages all the time so please tell me if there is more offensive material posted. Contact-Website@bettinaarndt.com.au
Great reporting Bettina!
I had not known this story. It is shocking but unsurprising that women with an axe to grind would behave in this way.
As far as graffiti goes, I am no fan of Mr Lister especially after he daubed his name over Bondi which I really didn't like.
But that doesn't make it OK what has happened to him, this is absolutely outrageous behaviour and those women should be ashamed of themselves trying to stitch him up in this way.
I suspect the police were so willing to prosecute as they were annoyed about the graffiti. This also is disgraceful, the law must be applied fairly to all.
Thank you Bettina for bringing this story to our attention, and great praise should shower down on the wonderful Margaret Cunneen SC, thank you to her for extracting some justice from a difficult system.
The prosecutors and 23 police who perpetrated this need to be personally held responsible. This includes destroying their careers, so they do not destroy others' lives.
Their penalties should not end there.
This just leaves such a distasteful taste in my mouth! The police disgust me with their behaviour regarding domestic violence or abuse, also the courts & most lawyers really, I wonder if he will get any compensation regarding this verdict? It beggars belief that the law can destroy a person’s life, livelihood, future on false accusations but does nothing to the perpetrators of said accusations. The law really is an ass I’m afraid Dx
The UK Supreme Court has just ruled that the exclusion of evidence in rape cases means that you are unlikely to receive a fair trial in Scotland. Unfortunately, the UK Supreme Court also believes in 'rape myths' and it is only because Scottish courts have become so ridiculous that this ruling was made. See the interview about it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks7qpxxD9FI and read my paper on the flaws of feminist research https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/13657127231217510 You should also check out the Facebook group Justice for Innocent Men Scotland.
Just incredible. Thank you Bettina for pressing on.
There should be compensation for every allegation and every loss of his personal human rights. I know it will not make up for what happened to him, but, in a way, it's besides the point: the point is to punish those that did this so that they (and others) are less keen to go down this path in the future.
It's unfortunate, but there must be consequences for false accusations otherwise they'll be getting out of control!
Neil, there is a common theme in most articles in this vein that point to your post. Maybe the abolition of Perjury in the Family Court has permeated down to the lower Courts when false allegations arise in those jurisdictions, where Perjury remains an offence.
Often we hear of Courts alluding to such falsity, but at the same time there appears to be a reluctance to prosecute those offenders.
We know that the playing field is sloping and the goalposts keep sliding around. Therefore, we hardly expect justice... but we should never stop hoping for it.
Boy! Was that a terrible story. Not only should those conspiratorial women be hanging their heads in shame but also those rip-off merchants at the hot shot legal firm that took all his money, and those coppers trying to catch him out on his bail conditions…not to mention those hacks at the SMH. A complete mess. The whole thing is a travesty of justice from start to finish. Three cheers for Margaret Cuneen and her team who look to have done sterling work to defend not just Anthony Lister, but also the integrity of the criminal justice system.
This phenomenon of doing a 180 degree turnabout and then reinventing the past also applies to former members of religions who become apostates, people who aren't content to just move on but want to destroy their former group, as somehow evidence of their virtue and proof that they never actually supported or loved the group or lover. Its worthy of further investigation as a key plank to dismantling the feminist divorce laws, custody and usurious punitive alimony even for casual relationships. I've heard plenty of stories about men whose partners left them for a man with more money, but still went out of their way to get the maximum payout. Another went to his favorite drinking hole and then tried to press charges for breaching an AVO while pursuing 50% of his wealth for a casual relationship with a few sleepovers. She succeeded in destroying his financial position already depleted by a divorce. Women want the best provider or top male, but why do some inflict such venom on their ex?
Some women are indeed vindictive. It's an imperfect world and sometimes there's no solution that doesn't have bad consequences. Dismantling the feminist divorce laws would also have consequences. Yes there is punitive alimony that is wrong. There are also men who had children, left their partner, and then refuse to contribute to their children's upbringing. It's just a horrible, murky and problematic area. Men are also capable of exactly the same amount of vindictiveness as women and vice versa although there are some differences in the way it is expressed.
There truly are no angels.
I wonder if we should construct a list of high-profile men who were targeted and found to be innocent of the allegations made against them?
If I seized someone by force and locked them in a cage, stole at least hundreds of thousands of dollars from them, slandered them, and on top of that defrauded the government of millions, I'd go to prison for a long time. Does anyone care to bet that Lister's accusers will be be arrested, still less charged, still less convicted?
when will such victims start to be compensated for these mindless attacks?
The DPP is a waste of public money to have run the case. Crazy stuff.
I've written articles and done videos on how you protect yourself from sexual harassment in the workplace. I advise people to document everything if things get weird at work. I got to practice that myself after I made 5 accusations of harassment (including sexual harassment) at my work. Supposedly a female colleague then accused me of harassment after I reject her advances. That would have been the 6th incident of sexual harassment at that job. I can't even know if she actually did make a complaint since I was never allowed to cross examine her or move to discovery.
It should be noted that I'm an internationally recognised ethicist, and that I'm public about being asexual, in large part because I was sexually abused as a child.
I had all the documentation proving that the accusations were false. But in Australia, as you can see in the Lester case, men are guilty until proven innocent. I couldn't wait to provide that proof. But the system makes that almost impossibly expensive. Getting to discovery and a trial requires resources well beyond the means of the common man. Lister, like Johnny Depp, was fortunate enough to have access to those resources, and ultimately the generosity of competent lawyers.
I would have been screwed if expert lawyers had not intervened (for free) to defend me from obviously false allegations. But because I could not afford a trial, which I WANTED, I had to accept a non disclosure agreement protecting all of my abusers.
I believe the law prevents us from naming complainants in sexual abuse cases, even if the man is found not guilty.
How can they not see that this is imply further incentive for women to make false allegations? There is simply nothing to lose for them. Even when they have been exposed as liars and vicious psychopaths with no conscience, it matters not because they remain anonymous.
It is outrageously unjust. If you want to make incredibly damaging allegations you should have no qualms about standing by them and having your identity known by the public.
Our legal system is every bit as bigoted toward men and two tiered as the Jim Crow laws in America were to the black population.
Not to be forgotten is the fact that they collect a ‘victim of crime’ payment regardless of whether the accused is found guilty or not!
Anywhere between $5-$10K.
Thats a lot of money for a struggling ‘artist’.
"There is simply nothing to lose for them" They know it.
White heterosexuals are the new Black men and that leads to "Strange Fruit" metaphorically. They would do it literally if they could get away with it.
Black men were the canaries in the mine.
This is true I believe, unless of course they decided to out themselves, which is highly unlikely. Naming them would be contempt of Court.
And that NDA protected not only my accuser, but also my abusers which I had previously filed written complaints against.
The complaint was that I had tinder open while waiting for my food at a local vegan restaurant. I ordered it take away. I was asked to go there by the person that complained, I didn't ask her to go with me. I made no unsolicited communication with my co-worker.
Why would such extraordinary protective measures be necessary in such a situation?
Well I literally asked for a chaperone at my work any time I was asked to be alone with anyone at that company, when I was under threat. I would assume a 19 year old model has a presumption of threat and should have a chaperone, agent, or parent present during those shoots. 19 is technically an adult, legally. But biologically that's still in the developmental stage.
I had a ~30ish year old friend invite some sort of "tauntric guide" or something over to her house in Austin. The New Age community there is relatively new and attracts a lot of predators. I stayed in another room to give her privacy. Then at some point she messaged me and asked for help, things were getting weird. So I went to check on her and that guy was on top of her. He disentangled himself pretty fast once he saw me and I escorted him out of the house.
[she was drugged and couldn't defend herself]
Why is it that the identities of those who make allegations are supressed from the get-go (even when it is proven their allegations are false /fabrications), but the name of the accused is all too frequently brandished about in the legacy media and on [anti]social media before the [Kangaroo] courts glacially move (after the reputational damage is done) to supress the accused name?
I have written at length about this - see here..https://open.substack.com/pub/bettinaarndt/p/anonymity-for-the-falsely-accused?utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web
Thanks Bettina
It surprising me cops, considering there is still more males than females, are so procedurally unfair. I can only think it to enhance their own career. In this case taking down a celebrity boost their ego and cred.
It’s the done thing… believe all women. Despicable
My brothers a cop and he doesn’t. He rolls his eyes eith all the victim survivor stuff. But he not looking for a promo or a detective trying to get famous. Also his location is pretty semi country.