Well done, Bettina and Greg, with uncovering this scandalous story.
There's a lot of detail here (thanks again!) so I'll try to read it carefully and publicise as I can.
I feel this is almost our last roll of the dice. If we can't get through to a "conservative" government that a blatant swindle has occurred - well documented and with horrible consequences (as warned by the NSW bar association) - then nothing ever will.
2021 was a watershed year. In the space of one year we had Brittany Higgins and #enoughisenough get what they wanted. We also had Grace Tame as Australian of the Year given a podium to lecture us, and now a recommendation for Nina Funnell to give us more of the same. Our universities embarked on another round of finding "shocking" statistics for campus sexual assault - despite Bettina's exposure of the bs in the first round and a feeble attempt by the Morrison government to ensure due process. "Coercive control" and "enthusiastic consent" laws were pushed through several parliaments, and are in the offing for others.
I found the survey, linked from https://engage.dss.gov.au/draft-national-plan-to-end-violence-against-women-and-children-2022-2032/. When I follow the link to the survey I find it's open until Friday 25th February, 2022, so there are a few weeks to do it. Still, doing it by the end of January might be a good idea to be safe. I note that "The scoping questionnaire ... requires the respondent to have read or be familiar with the draft National Plan". So, a little reading is required before doing the survey.
As you say, Bettina, it's probably a "laydown misere", but I also see it as our last roll of the dice.
Meanwhile, my conservative friends are feeling upbeat about having a TradCon as NSW premier (very apropos here!!!) and the chances of success for the Religious Discrimination Bill. A large part of our problem is that too many conservatives are either sympathetic to feminism ("white knighting"), or are scared to call out the elephant in the room. The Oz edition of The Spectator is a creditable and rare exception.
Yes, but The Spectator is under constant attack from the feminist mobs. It is very hard for any small media company to cope with the systematic efforts to drive them out of business. We really need to support these brave companies who are standing up against these orchestrated campaigns - whether that means subscribing to the Speccie, or writing letters supporting companies who advertise on Sky News.
domestic violence and misleading data, Does not surprise me one iota. Ill share a bit of a personal story here. I was approached by a female politician who gave me her private contact and said I am interested in your story please contact me. So I did, I made an appointment and turned up to her Central Coast office her private secretary sat with me for about 2 hours. at The end of the conversation, she said ( she was a 60 something aging feminazi ) you are not an expert in your field, to which I replied no im not. But is that the criteria, if so good bye end of conversation. Then in the way out she handed me s one useless pampletes about dinky support groups etc. ( FOR ME ) I was interested and passionate about getting the new cross the table that to even call mens issues Mental health Issues frankly its insulting to them. Its a heart and soul disavowal. it disgusts me and I cant stand the blah blah blah spouting from angry woman mouths. I wish the y would shut up and read. do the research and walk the talk . I have an look who's listening NO one.
Forge ahead. One day they will all wake the F -- Up.
I have been noting the rise and rise of the fanatic feminist movement through the Universities since the mid 60's. What is not 'publicised' is the intense study done by these academics on manipulation of the masses through consistent and constant propaganda, similar to that used by Goebbels in Nazi Germany. The effeminate Media is now willing and active participant.
I've certainly seen clear parallels between the Goebbel's propaganda methods and feminism. The three which are obvious to me: one, just repeat the lies over and over, through control of the media; two: use any real or imagined "victim" to generate public outrage (quite successfully!) and create a "crisis" to be exploited with hasty and decisive measures. (the Reichstag fire, Krisallnacht, the various border "crises" with Czheckoslovakia and Poland), and three: claim that you are being attacked by your victims (they claimed that the Jews started the war and created "persecution" propaganda to bring Germany into disrepute).
So, I've seen the parallels in practice, but it's news to me is that this is quite intentional! "What is not 'publicised' is the intense study done by these academics on manipulation of the masses through consistent and constant propaganda, similar to that used by Goebbels in Nazi Germany. "
That's astounding, and deserves to be wider known. Do you have any references? I don't expect it will ever get public attention, but will be of interest amongs MRA's.
I started reading about this in the late 60's, early 70's. Mainly in reports on N.O.W. meetings, and in Oz, W.E.L. - No big head-line stuff just snippets, which triggered my interest as I was studying WW2 propaganda, particularly Goebbels and his amazing effectiveness. - Remember all this was 50 years ago, and before wide computer use.
People I spoke to about it were "not concerned", (sexy seventies), and so gradually I lost enthusiasm and also the paper files; as I moved about in my work. - There was a big fanatic feminists conference in Townsville, way back then, and some "warnings" about their plans. As I remember the ABC covered this conference in some detail. It would be most interesting to see if they have kept 'complete' records in their archives. Their bragging intentions were made very clear.
Thanks for the reply, Fred! I'll hang on to that as anecdotal evidence, ie. something to remember and mention when relevant, but not to enough to really argue from.
The "W.E.L". I was only a kid in the 70's, but that name has stuck in my mind and I can effortlessly recall what it stood for, ie. "Women's Electoral Lobby". So, they must have been regularly in the news. We had no idea what they were really up to!
Of course, Bettina was a keen young feminist herself at the time! :)
Once again, thanks for the very interesting historical snippet!
The 'big' fanatic Feminist event in Townsville would really be worth investigation. - I can remember being amazed at how readily their sexist ideas were so willingly accepted. My (half hearted) follow-up in the late 90's found most of the 'records' had been deleted. - - In the late 60's - the NOW's "Statement of Purpose" (Betty Friedan's reasonable treatise) in the last 3 paragraphs encouraged the study of how to get the general population to change it's thinking. This is where the fanatics came in, not wanting real equality, but real control.
I have always 'questioned' popular "wisdom" / propaganda which has made me a 'target' for those 'true believers'. I have a number of examples; however it seems obvious now, that I have not had the courage or 'know how' to 'spread the word'.
I'm a bloke and without Bettina wouldn't have known anything about these arrant injustices. Keep up the good work Bettina, you have this bloke's support. There is a comment or two I could make about your 'opposition', but it wouldn't be PC. I can't begin to imagine what is the mindset of the 'feminine' man-haters...
Well said, and well done Bettina. We had first hand experience of this in the Family Court where a lying woman's words were held higher and taken as the honest truth under oath with no repercussions on her. The man in this case was definitely not treated equally. I also agree totally with Joseph Alexander Gomory's comments.
Keep up the good work Bettina. Only strong women can defeat the misandrist feminists. When a man disagrees with these feminists he gets accused of being a misogynist.
The people making the most noise are in vote significant numbers. Men are no following the debate because they dont know about it and/or think it will never affect them. So politicians cave every time. Someone needs to stand for the senate on this issue.If it is a man he will have accusations of sexual misconduct fabricateed against him. So we need a very strong woman. Solicitor would be great. Where is she? I know bettina does not want that role.
Pauline Hansen has for years been speaking out about how false accusations are creating huge injustice in the Family Law system yet she is constantly demonized in the press and her words distorted. She simply doesn't have enough support in the Senate to push through any reforms. We need to put pressure on all parliamentarians convincing them that they are alienating the silent majority by pandering to anti-male mobs.
Thanks, Andrew. Greg Andresen did an incredible job tracking down the correct data and the time line showing how this played out. I hope we can alert the public to this worrying story.
"Laws such as these are introduced on emotion. " The "logic" is quite bizarre. A woman and children died in horrible circumstances. Her parents then blamed "coercive control", and this was enough to introduce legislation which effects every marriage. What??? The parents are now contenders for Australian of the Year, along with another "victim" activist.
We already had, in 2017, Senator David Lyohjelm expose as fraudulent the domestic violence industry's contention that "respect" is at the root of domestic violence. They simply couldn't come up with the evidence when required to, before parliament. Why is no-one in the QLD parliament demanding to see the evidence that "coercive control" had anything to do with the Baxter murders or dv in general?
Well done, Bettina and Greg, with uncovering this scandalous story.
There's a lot of detail here (thanks again!) so I'll try to read it carefully and publicise as I can.
I feel this is almost our last roll of the dice. If we can't get through to a "conservative" government that a blatant swindle has occurred - well documented and with horrible consequences (as warned by the NSW bar association) - then nothing ever will.
2021 was a watershed year. In the space of one year we had Brittany Higgins and #enoughisenough get what they wanted. We also had Grace Tame as Australian of the Year given a podium to lecture us, and now a recommendation for Nina Funnell to give us more of the same. Our universities embarked on another round of finding "shocking" statistics for campus sexual assault - despite Bettina's exposure of the bs in the first round and a feeble attempt by the Morrison government to ensure due process. "Coercive control" and "enthusiastic consent" laws were pushed through several parliaments, and are in the offing for others.
I found the survey, linked from https://engage.dss.gov.au/draft-national-plan-to-end-violence-against-women-and-children-2022-2032/. When I follow the link to the survey I find it's open until Friday 25th February, 2022, so there are a few weeks to do it. Still, doing it by the end of January might be a good idea to be safe. I note that "The scoping questionnaire ... requires the respondent to have read or be familiar with the draft National Plan". So, a little reading is required before doing the survey.
As you say, Bettina, it's probably a "laydown misere", but I also see it as our last roll of the dice.
Meanwhile, my conservative friends are feeling upbeat about having a TradCon as NSW premier (very apropos here!!!) and the chances of success for the Religious Discrimination Bill. A large part of our problem is that too many conservatives are either sympathetic to feminism ("white knighting"), or are scared to call out the elephant in the room. The Oz edition of The Spectator is a creditable and rare exception.
Yes, but The Spectator is under constant attack from the feminist mobs. It is very hard for any small media company to cope with the systematic efforts to drive them out of business. We really need to support these brave companies who are standing up against these orchestrated campaigns - whether that means subscribing to the Speccie, or writing letters supporting companies who advertise on Sky News.
domestic violence and misleading data, Does not surprise me one iota. Ill share a bit of a personal story here. I was approached by a female politician who gave me her private contact and said I am interested in your story please contact me. So I did, I made an appointment and turned up to her Central Coast office her private secretary sat with me for about 2 hours. at The end of the conversation, she said ( she was a 60 something aging feminazi ) you are not an expert in your field, to which I replied no im not. But is that the criteria, if so good bye end of conversation. Then in the way out she handed me s one useless pampletes about dinky support groups etc. ( FOR ME ) I was interested and passionate about getting the new cross the table that to even call mens issues Mental health Issues frankly its insulting to them. Its a heart and soul disavowal. it disgusts me and I cant stand the blah blah blah spouting from angry woman mouths. I wish the y would shut up and read. do the research and walk the talk . I have an look who's listening NO one.
Forge ahead. One day they will all wake the F -- Up.
Thank you Bettina. Agree Topsy, these have been our experiences also. The whole story is not told. Untruths are told and believed.
I have been noting the rise and rise of the fanatic feminist movement through the Universities since the mid 60's. What is not 'publicised' is the intense study done by these academics on manipulation of the masses through consistent and constant propaganda, similar to that used by Goebbels in Nazi Germany. The effeminate Media is now willing and active participant.
Interesting!
I've certainly seen clear parallels between the Goebbel's propaganda methods and feminism. The three which are obvious to me: one, just repeat the lies over and over, through control of the media; two: use any real or imagined "victim" to generate public outrage (quite successfully!) and create a "crisis" to be exploited with hasty and decisive measures. (the Reichstag fire, Krisallnacht, the various border "crises" with Czheckoslovakia and Poland), and three: claim that you are being attacked by your victims (they claimed that the Jews started the war and created "persecution" propaganda to bring Germany into disrepute).
So, I've seen the parallels in practice, but it's news to me is that this is quite intentional! "What is not 'publicised' is the intense study done by these academics on manipulation of the masses through consistent and constant propaganda, similar to that used by Goebbels in Nazi Germany. "
That's astounding, and deserves to be wider known. Do you have any references? I don't expect it will ever get public attention, but will be of interest amongs MRA's.
I started reading about this in the late 60's, early 70's. Mainly in reports on N.O.W. meetings, and in Oz, W.E.L. - No big head-line stuff just snippets, which triggered my interest as I was studying WW2 propaganda, particularly Goebbels and his amazing effectiveness. - Remember all this was 50 years ago, and before wide computer use.
People I spoke to about it were "not concerned", (sexy seventies), and so gradually I lost enthusiasm and also the paper files; as I moved about in my work. - There was a big fanatic feminists conference in Townsville, way back then, and some "warnings" about their plans. As I remember the ABC covered this conference in some detail. It would be most interesting to see if they have kept 'complete' records in their archives. Their bragging intentions were made very clear.
Thanks for the reply, Fred! I'll hang on to that as anecdotal evidence, ie. something to remember and mention when relevant, but not to enough to really argue from.
The "W.E.L". I was only a kid in the 70's, but that name has stuck in my mind and I can effortlessly recall what it stood for, ie. "Women's Electoral Lobby". So, they must have been regularly in the news. We had no idea what they were really up to!
Of course, Bettina was a keen young feminist herself at the time! :)
Once again, thanks for the very interesting historical snippet!
The 'big' fanatic Feminist event in Townsville would really be worth investigation. - I can remember being amazed at how readily their sexist ideas were so willingly accepted. My (half hearted) follow-up in the late 90's found most of the 'records' had been deleted. - - In the late 60's - the NOW's "Statement of Purpose" (Betty Friedan's reasonable treatise) in the last 3 paragraphs encouraged the study of how to get the general population to change it's thinking. This is where the fanatics came in, not wanting real equality, but real control.
Yes, Fred. I too would be most interested in seeing evidence of that.
I have always 'questioned' popular "wisdom" / propaganda which has made me a 'target' for those 'true believers'. I have a number of examples; however it seems obvious now, that I have not had the courage or 'know how' to 'spread the word'.
Keep up the good work Bettina, and to those other - Greg Andersen, thanks for your commitment to fairer laws for the whole community
I'm a bloke and without Bettina wouldn't have known anything about these arrant injustices. Keep up the good work Bettina, you have this bloke's support. There is a comment or two I could make about your 'opposition', but it wouldn't be PC. I can't begin to imagine what is the mindset of the 'feminine' man-haters...
Well said, and well done Bettina. We had first hand experience of this in the Family Court where a lying woman's words were held higher and taken as the honest truth under oath with no repercussions on her. The man in this case was definitely not treated equally. I also agree totally with Joseph Alexander Gomory's comments.
Keep up the good work Bettina. Only strong women can defeat the misandrist feminists. When a man disagrees with these feminists he gets accused of being a misogynist.
The people making the most noise are in vote significant numbers. Men are no following the debate because they dont know about it and/or think it will never affect them. So politicians cave every time. Someone needs to stand for the senate on this issue.If it is a man he will have accusations of sexual misconduct fabricateed against him. So we need a very strong woman. Solicitor would be great. Where is she? I know bettina does not want that role.
Pauline Hansen has for years been speaking out about how false accusations are creating huge injustice in the Family Law system yet she is constantly demonized in the press and her words distorted. She simply doesn't have enough support in the Senate to push through any reforms. We need to put pressure on all parliamentarians convincing them that they are alienating the silent majority by pandering to anti-male mobs.
Yes of course
Excellent material Bettina. Great policy distortions and legislative bias will come form this particular factoid
Thanks, Andrew. Greg Andresen did an incredible job tracking down the correct data and the time line showing how this played out. I hope we can alert the public to this worrying story.
"Laws such as these are introduced on emotion. " The "logic" is quite bizarre. A woman and children died in horrible circumstances. Her parents then blamed "coercive control", and this was enough to introduce legislation which effects every marriage. What??? The parents are now contenders for Australian of the Year, along with another "victim" activist.
We already had, in 2017, Senator David Lyohjelm expose as fraudulent the domestic violence industry's contention that "respect" is at the root of domestic violence. They simply couldn't come up with the evidence when required to, before parliament. Why is no-one in the QLD parliament demanding to see the evidence that "coercive control" had anything to do with the Baxter murders or dv in general?