I am lucky to have a wife who is not violent and does not exercise coercive control in any form, and I am the same.
It must also be truly horrible to be falsely accused and dragged through a justice system that has little interest in ensuring that truth is rewarded over good story-telling, or good acting performances.
I am lucky to have a wife who is not violent and does not exercise coercive control in any form, and I am the same.
It must also be truly horrible to be falsely accused and dragged through a justice system that has little interest in ensuring that truth is rewarded over good story-telling, or good acting performances.
It also makes me feel somewhat at a loss that our politicians have found that promoting legislation to allow these traits to flourish, somehow makes them feel more secure with their need to get re-elected.
Along with their lapdogs in the mainstream media, there appears to be no limit to the depths to which they will stoop.
Terry, some might call you lucky with respect to that comment when you referred to your supportive wife, but you are not alone or in the minority. The MSM will can you for it - evil men.
What I have found in talking to women who find that a male has been thrown to the wolves via the many Courts, is that predominately two responses often occur:
1. "Well, he must have done something wrong to cause that situation", and after that initial response it can be a "case closed". Game set and match. But....
2. What is happening more now is that supportive women of males, when they come across sisters, aunties, mothers etc seeing males alienated from their children, and, by proxy, the many supportive women who are then alienated, who have been formerly blind to how easy it is to delete men and their children. Those women now are raising red flags, and it is about time.
Society is always quick to assume men are guilty of something , all it takes is an accusation and men are once again forced to prove their innocence instead of the accusers proving guilt. There is a naivety in Western countries which assumes that the courts and police are always right and if a man is accused or charged or served with a DV order then he MUST have done something wrong and therefore deserves what he gets.
But such a mindset can have fatal consequences , a case from WA shows how self righteousness can go too far. Mr Ly Tong of Beechboro WA. was fatally shot by two police officers in his own home , he was unarmed and had done nothing wrong.
His family was devastated and wanted the police to charge the officer , but they refused and tried to blame Ly for his own death , claiming that he was hostile and of poor character , because there had been a DV order placed on him , in other words “ he deserved to be killed” .
Normally there is an enquiry into deaths at the hands of police, whether the deceased was armed or not.
The enquiries are normally handled by a separate police division, often referred to as "Ethical Standards". There are a few recently that have occurred in WA, many in remote communities.
Hopefully Mr Ly's family have also looked at addressing his death beyond any police-directed investigations.
A major part of the DV processing takes on a bigger emphasis due to constant media pressure that is intent on determining and then judging blame, often ignoring any statistical basis for so doing. This filters through to the police and eventually the courts, and also via a well-funded and government backed support base.
The WA police have shown over many years and many similar cases that they can’t be trusted to conduct their own internal investigations without being openly biased in favour of themselves.
But the Ly Tong case has been a challenge to their usual whitewash and cover ups ,Ly’s family the Tongs ( Ly,being his first name ) would not give up easily and got a coroners inquest against all odds , but this was a set up from the start, the coroner was very easy on the police officers and also seemed to blame Ly for his own death. The Tongs appealed the coroners decision and won a right to appeal to the Supreme Court. The saga continues and now over 18 months later they are still waiting for a date for this hearing . No doubt the police would like it to all go away and are stalling the case as long as possible.
What is certain is that if this case was ever brought before a jury in a properly conducted trial the jury would almost certainly find the police officer guilty , given the known facts of the case .
And that’s the reason why the police never charged the officer , they know that police procedures and training would also be on trial.
It’s the same in most states , police investigating themselves is open to abuse . Other more advanced countries have independent investigations for police misconduct , so why not Australia ? The conference on innocence might be the start of big changes to the whole justice system , not before time.
I am lucky to have a wife who is not violent and does not exercise coercive control in any form, and I am the same.
It must also be truly horrible to be falsely accused and dragged through a justice system that has little interest in ensuring that truth is rewarded over good story-telling, or good acting performances.
It also makes me feel somewhat at a loss that our politicians have found that promoting legislation to allow these traits to flourish, somehow makes them feel more secure with their need to get re-elected.
Along with their lapdogs in the mainstream media, there appears to be no limit to the depths to which they will stoop.
Terry, some might call you lucky with respect to that comment when you referred to your supportive wife, but you are not alone or in the minority. The MSM will can you for it - evil men.
What I have found in talking to women who find that a male has been thrown to the wolves via the many Courts, is that predominately two responses often occur:
1. "Well, he must have done something wrong to cause that situation", and after that initial response it can be a "case closed". Game set and match. But....
2. What is happening more now is that supportive women of males, when they come across sisters, aunties, mothers etc seeing males alienated from their children, and, by proxy, the many supportive women who are then alienated, who have been formerly blind to how easy it is to delete men and their children. Those women now are raising red flags, and it is about time.
Society is always quick to assume men are guilty of something , all it takes is an accusation and men are once again forced to prove their innocence instead of the accusers proving guilt. There is a naivety in Western countries which assumes that the courts and police are always right and if a man is accused or charged or served with a DV order then he MUST have done something wrong and therefore deserves what he gets.
But such a mindset can have fatal consequences , a case from WA shows how self righteousness can go too far. Mr Ly Tong of Beechboro WA. was fatally shot by two police officers in his own home , he was unarmed and had done nothing wrong.
His family was devastated and wanted the police to charge the officer , but they refused and tried to blame Ly for his own death , claiming that he was hostile and of poor character , because there had been a DV order placed on him , in other words “ he deserved to be killed” .
Normally there is an enquiry into deaths at the hands of police, whether the deceased was armed or not.
The enquiries are normally handled by a separate police division, often referred to as "Ethical Standards". There are a few recently that have occurred in WA, many in remote communities.
Hopefully Mr Ly's family have also looked at addressing his death beyond any police-directed investigations.
A major part of the DV processing takes on a bigger emphasis due to constant media pressure that is intent on determining and then judging blame, often ignoring any statistical basis for so doing. This filters through to the police and eventually the courts, and also via a well-funded and government backed support base.
The WA police have shown over many years and many similar cases that they can’t be trusted to conduct their own internal investigations without being openly biased in favour of themselves.
But the Ly Tong case has been a challenge to their usual whitewash and cover ups ,Ly’s family the Tongs ( Ly,being his first name ) would not give up easily and got a coroners inquest against all odds , but this was a set up from the start, the coroner was very easy on the police officers and also seemed to blame Ly for his own death. The Tongs appealed the coroners decision and won a right to appeal to the Supreme Court. The saga continues and now over 18 months later they are still waiting for a date for this hearing . No doubt the police would like it to all go away and are stalling the case as long as possible.
What is certain is that if this case was ever brought before a jury in a properly conducted trial the jury would almost certainly find the police officer guilty , given the known facts of the case .
And that’s the reason why the police never charged the officer , they know that police procedures and training would also be on trial.
It’s the same in most states , police investigating themselves is open to abuse . Other more advanced countries have independent investigations for police misconduct , so why not Australia ? The conference on innocence might be the start of big changes to the whole justice system , not before time.