Very happy to see this lively conversation. But I hope you are all also writing to the Prime Minister and other key Ministers, and making public comments even on more hostile media platforms. The government needs to be told they stuffed up on this one.
Cannot understand how the 'preumption of innocence' has been entirely junked in cases involving sexual assault. All it takes now is a woman's allegation to smear and destroy a man's reputation and/or his job.
No trial needed.
Journalists now the major assault weapon.
The ABC the most prominent destroyer of our legal system
Who will actually stand up in our Parliament and say it?
I had similar thoughts earlier in the week when the prime minister apologised to Brittany Higgins. What acts was he apologising for when the accused fellow has not been convicted of anything yet.
Also as has been discussed much, what is the reasonable balance between not “victim shaming” and taking responsibility for your actions that put yourself in the situation?
If the defendant in the Brittany Higgins trial is proven innocent, surely Morrison's words will be deemed state sanctioned slander, opening the way for massive litigation against the Federal Government, and Morrison as an Australian citizen - a man who by definition in his role as Prime Minister has enormous capacity to influence public opinion about any entity or individual.
As for Grace Tame, her petulance knows no bounds. She is a vitriolic human being with clearly defined partisan allegiances, and she is more than happy to project both on the people of Australia for as long as the nation destroying leftist media continue to give her a soapbox to stand on.
We now have rhetoric and conjecture being posited as news. The Australian media is a disgrace and must be brought to account – especially our national broadcaster, the ABC. But what does the Morrison government do; reward ‘Aunty’ with a massive boost of funding. Absolutely incomprehensible.
Unfortunately ScoMo's entire persona is about doing the politically expedient course at the time. Election coming up he needs to be seen to be making a stand regardless of the facts.
It makes me sick to the stomach that we have thrown the rule of law out the window.
Of course the other side of politics is totally captured so they aren't a credible alternative and voting for independents means a whole other bunch of loons.
I was pilloried for celebrating the victory of the law over the crowd when Pell was exonerated. I will watch this case and hope that the jury is able to remain detached.
Now some female barristers are arguing for judge alone trials... run by judges trained in the complexities of sexual assault. Oh yes, we know what that means. Only female judges, naturally. As one of the comments in this twitter stream points out..."Then put immense pressure on judges to always convict. Then protest & remove judges who don't comply."
Juries are still a safer option for accused men, even though a ferocious feminist can easily bully and shame fellow jurists into believing the victim.
I thought I was losing my mind when I heard that maggot, Morrison apologizing. I also noted the kyron telling us how the bullying and assault of women in parliament must end when the survey made it clear that 70% of the bullying was carried out by toxic females. How does this endless crap escape any scrutiny?
Incredible that this has occurred less than 2 years after the greatest miscarriage of justice in Australian history was overturned by the High Court with the acquittal of Cardinal George Pell, who was convicted at his second trial in the aftermath of Morrison making a public apology to victims of child sexual abuse from Parliament in October 2018. No evidence was presented to secure Pell's conviction for one of the most heinous crimes a man could be accused of. As the majority judges at the Victorian Appeal Court subsequently made clear, all that was necessary to secure this grave miscarriage of justice was the alleged victim merely being "believed". In the lead up to the much publicised Higgins trial it seems Morrison has done precisely the same thing? Have we learnt anything at all about justice and the rule of law in this country?
Brilliant summation Bettina. (your email) Thank you for standing up for men. Morrison behaved disgracefully and I will never ever vote for Liberals or Labor - never - ever.
Tame's perpetrator: Sentenced to 17 months jail for, wait for it: "Maintaining a sexual relationship with a minor". The operative word is "maintaining". Sexual assault? No; Sexual abuse? No; Rape?No.
The disgraceful behaviour of the mainstream media is outrageous. Morrison’s behaviour is just ignorant stupidity, which ought to be sufficient to cost him his job but, with an election looming, the alternatives are frightening. Higgins has been assumed to be the unwilling victim of the allegedly unsafe environment of Parliament House. How she and her media claque have been allowed to get away with this line is equally outrageous. Whatever happened in Parliament House only happened because she willingly followed her alleged attacker into the building. She could have waited for him in the taxi. Had she done so, Parliament House could not be blamed for what happened next. She may still have been assaulted somewhere else by the same person but, had she been, Morrison need never have apologised because he and Parliament House would have had nothing to do with the case, a fact so obvious that not even the scurrilous mainstream media could have exploited to use against him.
I couldn’t believe the Prime Minister apologised for an alleged crime not as yet proven. What has this country become, where is presumption of innocence. Men have not got a chance with this weak leader.
Sure, when Prime Minister sees no other way but to treat feminist establishment as an essential corporation, necessary for your re-election, you have to play their games.
Enthusiastic consent laws, turning every sexual encounter for men into a trap, are only the beginning.
Feminists will never stop hoarding their "rights", i.e. mechanisms for power play, while any elected representative of the people cannot set him or herself from the feminist establishment. Few exceptions, like Pauline Hanson, are alas, the exceptions. They will be constantly derided in mass media.
Excellent sources and summary, Bettina! Many of us non-lawyers spotted this when we saw ScoMo's sickening "apology". It's great to get such expert commentary, from you, Bolt and Chris Merritt so quickly. I particularly liked Bolt's quick and forcefull "Justice delayed is justice denied".
Bolt tends to be so much on the attack that it gets a bit wearisome, but sometimes his passion against injustice and mob rule seems genuine. I noticed this with Cardinal Pell, and here also. He's not afraid of the mob himself!
It's astonishing that ScoMo has done this before and been rebuked for it! What a grub.
My letters to The Australian on this subject were not published but several excellent others were. Good to see the Oz is not afraid to stand up against the Grittany onslaught.
Someone just sent me this comment:
I have a white board outside my shop and put on it today
'Yesterday was tough .
I couldn't decide whether to
listen to Grace and Brittany at the Press Club
or chew broken glass ".
Very happy to see this lively conversation. But I hope you are all also writing to the Prime Minister and other key Ministers, and making public comments even on more hostile media platforms. The government needs to be told they stuffed up on this one.
Cannot understand how the 'preumption of innocence' has been entirely junked in cases involving sexual assault. All it takes now is a woman's allegation to smear and destroy a man's reputation and/or his job.
No trial needed.
Journalists now the major assault weapon.
The ABC the most prominent destroyer of our legal system
Who will actually stand up in our Parliament and say it?
Helen Crawford
I had similar thoughts earlier in the week when the prime minister apologised to Brittany Higgins. What acts was he apologising for when the accused fellow has not been convicted of anything yet.
Also as has been discussed much, what is the reasonable balance between not “victim shaming” and taking responsibility for your actions that put yourself in the situation?
If the defendant in the Brittany Higgins trial is proven innocent, surely Morrison's words will be deemed state sanctioned slander, opening the way for massive litigation against the Federal Government, and Morrison as an Australian citizen - a man who by definition in his role as Prime Minister has enormous capacity to influence public opinion about any entity or individual.
As for Grace Tame, her petulance knows no bounds. She is a vitriolic human being with clearly defined partisan allegiances, and she is more than happy to project both on the people of Australia for as long as the nation destroying leftist media continue to give her a soapbox to stand on.
We now have rhetoric and conjecture being posited as news. The Australian media is a disgrace and must be brought to account – especially our national broadcaster, the ABC. But what does the Morrison government do; reward ‘Aunty’ with a massive boost of funding. Absolutely incomprehensible.
Unfortunately ScoMo's entire persona is about doing the politically expedient course at the time. Election coming up he needs to be seen to be making a stand regardless of the facts.
It makes me sick to the stomach that we have thrown the rule of law out the window.
Of course the other side of politics is totally captured so they aren't a credible alternative and voting for independents means a whole other bunch of loons.
I was pilloried for celebrating the victory of the law over the crowd when Pell was exonerated. I will watch this case and hope that the jury is able to remain detached.
Now some female barristers are arguing for judge alone trials... run by judges trained in the complexities of sexual assault. Oh yes, we know what that means. Only female judges, naturally. As one of the comments in this twitter stream points out..."Then put immense pressure on judges to always convict. Then protest & remove judges who don't comply."
Juries are still a safer option for accused men, even though a ferocious feminist can easily bully and shame fellow jurists into believing the victim.
https://twitter.com/MisandryE/status/1491843267562020880
I thought I was losing my mind when I heard that maggot, Morrison apologizing. I also noted the kyron telling us how the bullying and assault of women in parliament must end when the survey made it clear that 70% of the bullying was carried out by toxic females. How does this endless crap escape any scrutiny?
Incredible that this has occurred less than 2 years after the greatest miscarriage of justice in Australian history was overturned by the High Court with the acquittal of Cardinal George Pell, who was convicted at his second trial in the aftermath of Morrison making a public apology to victims of child sexual abuse from Parliament in October 2018. No evidence was presented to secure Pell's conviction for one of the most heinous crimes a man could be accused of. As the majority judges at the Victorian Appeal Court subsequently made clear, all that was necessary to secure this grave miscarriage of justice was the alleged victim merely being "believed". In the lead up to the much publicised Higgins trial it seems Morrison has done precisely the same thing? Have we learnt anything at all about justice and the rule of law in this country?
Brilliant summation Bettina. (your email) Thank you for standing up for men. Morrison behaved disgracefully and I will never ever vote for Liberals or Labor - never - ever.
Tame's perpetrator: Sentenced to 17 months jail for, wait for it: "Maintaining a sexual relationship with a minor". The operative word is "maintaining". Sexual assault? No; Sexual abuse? No; Rape?No.
The disgraceful behaviour of the mainstream media is outrageous. Morrison’s behaviour is just ignorant stupidity, which ought to be sufficient to cost him his job but, with an election looming, the alternatives are frightening. Higgins has been assumed to be the unwilling victim of the allegedly unsafe environment of Parliament House. How she and her media claque have been allowed to get away with this line is equally outrageous. Whatever happened in Parliament House only happened because she willingly followed her alleged attacker into the building. She could have waited for him in the taxi. Had she done so, Parliament House could not be blamed for what happened next. She may still have been assaulted somewhere else by the same person but, had she been, Morrison need never have apologised because he and Parliament House would have had nothing to do with the case, a fact so obvious that not even the scurrilous mainstream media could have exploited to use against him.
I couldn’t believe the Prime Minister apologised for an alleged crime not as yet proven. What has this country become, where is presumption of innocence. Men have not got a chance with this weak leader.
Sure, when Prime Minister sees no other way but to treat feminist establishment as an essential corporation, necessary for your re-election, you have to play their games.
Enthusiastic consent laws, turning every sexual encounter for men into a trap, are only the beginning.
Feminists will never stop hoarding their "rights", i.e. mechanisms for power play, while any elected representative of the people cannot set him or herself from the feminist establishment. Few exceptions, like Pauline Hanson, are alas, the exceptions. They will be constantly derided in mass media.
Excellent sources and summary, Bettina! Many of us non-lawyers spotted this when we saw ScoMo's sickening "apology". It's great to get such expert commentary, from you, Bolt and Chris Merritt so quickly. I particularly liked Bolt's quick and forcefull "Justice delayed is justice denied".
Bolt tends to be so much on the attack that it gets a bit wearisome, but sometimes his passion against injustice and mob rule seems genuine. I noticed this with Cardinal Pell, and here also. He's not afraid of the mob himself!
It's astonishing that ScoMo has done this before and been rebuked for it! What a grub.
My letters to The Australian on this subject were not published but several excellent others were. Good to see the Oz is not afraid to stand up against the Grittany onslaught.